Just The Facts Maam, Just The Facts

This is a continuation of the post from yesterday. <Click there to check it out.  Some of this will not make sense without first reading that.

First of all, let me calm some nerves.  Within 3 minutes of the post yesterday, I had 4 emails.  One of em practically begging me not to do this one and the others asking me to please not mention names.  Well, I’m not sure what they thought was coming, but I have never and will never use this as a tool to call people out.  Of course I will not mention names here.  I don’t think I need to.

Secondly, this IS my blog and if you’re offended or bothered by something you read here, you have probably missed the point.  I’m not in the business of making people angry.  If you’re mad about anything you read below or have read previously, there is probably something to that….hint, hint!  You’re also more than welcome to voice YOUR opinion in the comment section, via email or to just not click the link that brought you here.  The title of this blog is What’s This Life For, NOT What Makes Christians Happy.

Now then, I have thought and thought of how to do this.  I have all of these things moving around in my head and I’m not quite sure what to do with them.  I have prayed for a long time between the last paragraph and this one and I’m just gonna let it flow and trust that He is in control of how it is received.  I know it’s easy to be a critic, especially for someone who is close to the situation.  Like I stated, my goal is only to try and make the place I go to Worship Christ a more welcoming environment.  Most of us, who have been in church for awhile or have been Christians for awhile may not need it, but for those that “the church” was built for, THEY DO.

I am new to the military life.  Almost just as new to Christian life.  When ya add that up, you get that I am a rookie military Christian.  I’d like to think I can fit in to most any situation and have done that here, with this community, in this church.  I have voiced some of my concerns to very few people.  I have done that with the thought that, “they can’t do anything about it, so why not.”  I’m tired of that CRAP.  They CAN do something about it; I can do something about it and I’m going to.  They can join me if they’d like.  The shame of it is, they probably won’t.  Ya see, this is a military community and most people here have short-timers disease from the time they get here.  They know they are not going to be here long term, so they don’t wanna rattle the cage.  They don’t want to be involved in anything that causes change.  They think change is bad and assume that the church doesn’t need changed cuz there are people in the seats on Sunday.  Don’t get me wrong, they get involved:  They sing, they join boards and groups, but when things happen that THEY KNOW shouldn’t happen within a church, they turn their head.  I can hear em now, just like I have heard them many times, “oh, just be patient…things will change.”  WILL THEY?  WHEN?  When did you become Nostradamus?  What they’re really saying is, “SOMEONE ELSE will change it.”  Ahhh, isn’t that much easier?  Let’s sit in our nice, quiet and perfect place in the world and count on someone else to do what is necessary.  After all, if it was supposed to change, God would change it.

HA!  I laugh at that and I think He would too.  Some people actually believe that, but “free will” is another topic for another day.

I said yesterday that I would get “more specific”, so let’s do that:  I’m sick because:

PROBLEM

  • Rude people should stay home.  Really, it’s that simple.  I’m not talking about the “average Joe” churchgoer.  I’m talking about the person who has been there for a long time and is considered a leader of the church.  If you can’t wipe that smug look off of your face for the length of time you’re going to be at church, STAY HOME!  YOU put people in a bad mood and since I appear to be someone people can unload their concerns on, they come to me asking why you act like you’re too good to speak.  I welcome being there for them, but not to answer questions about YOU.

SOLUTION

  • Uhhhh, #1, you’re not too good.  If someone told you that, they lied.  If your spouse makes you feel like you are, he or she is GOOD, but you’re taking it too far.  You’re a leader!  I don’t care if you lead the finance team or the clean up team or if you’re the lowest ranking member on either team, in the eyes of new folks, YOU’RE A LEADER!  Act like it!  For those of us who have sit back and watch this rudeness and said nothing, WE ARE part of the problem.  You don’t have to get nasty, but say something.  Maybe that’s their natural look and they are overly preoccupied.  Maybe they don’t realize they’re being rude.  I firmly believe that is NOT the case, but tell them!  From this day forward, I certainly will!

PROBLEM

  • GOSSIP!  The definition of gossip is the idle talk or rumors about the personal affairs of others.  I’m not talking about 2 friends discussing things.  I understand these things, but lemme tell ya, there is no greater gossip machine than the one here.  What’s even more sad is I play a large role in it.  I’m there 6 days a week, so I get it from all angles, about all people.  That leads to the….

SOLUTION

  • NO MORE!  STOP!  If you have a problem with me, tell me, NOT someone else.  Also, if you have a problem with someone else, TELL THEM, NOT ME!  I guarantee you they can’t change me and I can’t change them.  You’re much better off presenting your issues with the person causing the issue for you.

PROBLEM

  • LIARS!  Maybe this hits me extra hard because in a previous life I couldn’t tell the truth to save my life, but there’s a different kind of liar here.  I’m not gonna go into details of this problem, but…..

SOLUTION

  • Uhhhh tell the truth?  I won’t tell ya you look good if ya don’t, you sound good if you don’t, your sermon was good if it wasn’t.  I won’t act like there isn’t a problem if there is one, I won’t tell you something is going to happen if I know that it’s not.  As a matter of fact, I won’t tell ya it’s gonna happen unless I’m ABSOLUTELY SURE it’s gonna happen.  Please return the favor and follow along.  Oh, and being FAKE makes you a liar too.  That’s all I have to say about that.

We are in a unique situation here.  It’s not like there are lots of churches go choose from.  So, we end up having, not only different personalities, but different beliefs under one roof.  Some people have told me to leave and go to another, more contemporary church.  Some have said that maybe the Baptists are not for me and I should try another denomination or a non-denominational church.  Yeah, they’re around and I could do that, but why?  A mentor of mine once told me that if I’m looking for a church that will be perfect for me, I’ll always be looking.  I’m not gonna run from the problems presented here, but I’m not going to pretend they don’t exist either.  Maybe nothing will change.  There’s a great chance they won’t.  I am only one man.  But these aren’t issues that require great theological debate.  I’m sure we can all agree on at least one line in the Bible:  Love thy neighbor!  LOVE, people, LOVE!  I promise you that I am in that building 10 times as much as most of you, but while I’m there, I’m completely accessible to anyone who needs me.  If I see a face that I have not seen before, I stop and introduce myself.  On Sunday, when the pastor asks if there is anyone there for their first time, I pay attention so I can seek those people out and say HI!  Again, I’m just a screw up and no better than the next guy, but what if we all did that?  I’ll tell ya what if….We would have no choice but to build a bigger building or add service times.  Yeah, I think if the music changed more people would come.  I think there are several things to be done to make it more attractive to the largest demographic here, but that’s irrelevant at this point.  We must begin with how we treat people.  Respect, love and kindness.  My church, your church, OUR church.

I have so much more to say, but I’m sure I have lost everyone except my Mom by now:-).  Another day, another post, I guess.

The bottom line, I suppose, as I tell my kids 437 times a day….

BE NICE:-)

  • http://www.crucialencounter.com Andy McMahon

    Hrmm. Let me read this a few more times for a better comment…. Well put though Toby, probably one of the calmest 'pissed off' posts I've seen.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pastor_T Pastor_T

    "Pissed off" would have been a good descriptor at first, then irritating. Now that I've realized I'm not going anywhere, it has turned to genuine concern for new people joining us.

  • ME!

    My Reflections of Your Reflections

    I will have to say, as I age, it doesn't seem to be as graceful as I had hoped. I had hoped by this time in my life that I would have more grace and humility. However, I seem to wear my feelings on my sleeve, so to speak. I show aggravation on my face, I've been told, which is with issues I'm faced with that I don't feel like I can change and feel like I'm suppose to "just go with the flow". I know I should "step up to the plate" and tell the truth. However, I know when I do, I don't know how to BE NICE instead of BLUNT and possibly RUDE. I would like to be part of a POSITIVE CHANGE, for sure. My guess is I'm getting set in my ways as I grow old. And I do have a tendency to live in my own little world.

    I also find it interesting that, as I feel much like you do and as you have pointed out that some (whether that be "the leader", "a small group" or "a certain someone") may say if you don't like it here the way it is, then go somewhere else, are we not saying the same thing about those people when we are wanting it to change? I'm just throwing that out there because I personally have felt that way at times.

    I have listened to your podcast 3 Simple Facts. After listening to what you had to say about faith, I wonder if we are keeping the faith or are we struggling with "that which we have hoped in and trusted God for and it hasn't happened, so it is causing us to stumble and reconsider what we know about faith?" I found myself saying something different to the story of the little girl asking if all fairy tales started with once upon a time. The mom in your story says, "No, darling, some start, 'After I became a Christian all my problems were over.'" I say, "After I became a Christian the real problems started." Being a Christian means being faced with the fight against the evil in this world which is everywhere, especially the church. We find out that being a Christian does not exempt us from the problems that every human is faced with. The problems we have in the church are absolutely instigated by evil. Who knows the Word any
    better than Satan? He absolutely wants to keep us stirred up in disagreements and voicing our own opinions and stressing over them so he can keep our attention away from God!

    I also have some questions to ponder after listening to the podcast, along with the blog and knowing the situation at hand. These are questions I'm having to ask myself so I can check my attitudes and motivations behind how I feel about this situation.

    1. Knowing Jesus will come in our time of need and calling on him, are we having faith and waiting patiently for his answer? Remember, His timing isn't always our timing.

    2. Are some of the disagreements we have petty and we ARE making it about us? We are filled with our own opinions of how things SHOULD be based on other experiences in our lives.

    3. In our "giving" to the ministries in which we have become involved, are we giving what we have to give with a giving heart to be used in the way in which we are being asked in THIS place for now?

    4. Are we giving of ourselves with submission to the leadership that we have at this time? This is what Ephesians 5:21 and Hebrews 13:17 tells us we are to do. This is why I "go with the flow" while at the same time I guess, I'm displaying agitation and aggravation. (I need to work on that!)

    Well, you did not lose me by the end, but have stirred within me a wanting to try be do better about being truthful and nice. My mom always says, "When you know better, you do better!" Of course, most times the case is, "When you know better, you should do better!"

    I will try to do better:D………………….. I pray things will change for the better!

    Thanks, Brotha!!!!!!!

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pastor_T Pastor_T

      Wow, great comment!!
      I know what you're saying here, but just wanted to reply to part of it.

      This is SO not about me. I thought and prayed long and hard about that. It is true that I get some of the treatment I mentioned in the previous 2 posts, but they don't bother me much anymore. It's when I see this toward others; whether it be new people, youth, etc. I'm bothered when I see it happening to you. You know that I notice your frustration and that frustrates me, cuz you are justified in feeling that way.
      If nothing else, we can make suggestions and if they're not taken, we tried. Then, we either deal with it as Eph. and Hebrews would have us do or we do not.
      Gotta start somewhere :-) .
      Thank ya maam….or sir :-)

    • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pastor_T Pastor_T

      I just wanted to say thanks again. It's been so long, I tend to forget I even did those podcasts. I don't even have the files on my computer anymore, so I guess it was just "out of sight, out of mind". Well, it's pretty sad when you're slapped in the face after listening to yourself speak…LOL
      Thanks again, ME :-) .

  • Me Again!

    My Reflections of Your Reflections

    I actually sort of knew that you felt that it is not about you based on your blog and podcast. I just felt lead to question for my own sake mostly and possibly for others that may read it.

    I also have tried making suggestions in the past, only to be told to pray about it and the thoughts would be shared when the time seemed right ………………………………………………………. ……………………hhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?!?!?

    God will honor and reward us for following His word as in Eph. and Hebrews. I would also like to just put out there, that the way you and God may be dealing with what his will is for you in this situation may not be the same way he is dealing with others on how they should handle it.

    There is also some lesson here for all of us to learn here. And it may not be pretty……………..

    • Other Mother

      Toby, I didn't get yesterdays what's life for and I don't know why. However I got today's. I understand how frustrating it can be at times to see people act the way you are describing. Remember I have been around this all my life. There is always going to be someone who tries our patience to the limit and makes us want to smack them. However, all we can do is pray conviction on them for their bad behavior and try to make up for by being the one to welcome and to serve. A true servant is very put upon by everyone and just because we get frustrated or a little angry does not mean that we do not have a true servants heart. Let's face it anyone willing to clean a toilet after a hundred or so people has got to have a true servants heart. I don't even like to clean my own toilet.LOL

      We cannot change people only GOD can. We must learn to accept this otherwise we will be frustrated and disappointed everyday. All we can do is go to the offender and say hey brother, or sister I'll pray for you because you must be very unhappy with yourself to be so rude. Let it go at that. They will either get the message or they won't but it will keep you from beating you head against the wall.

  • http://intensedebate.com/people/Pastor_T Pastor_T

    Another awesome point, ME! As is sometimes the case, it slips my mind that we're not all twins :-) . What I am called to do isn't necessarily the equivalent to your calling. That really puts things into perspective! Thanks!

  • diane

    Good reflection!I don't have much to say because I am not there. But I am happy that you are being honest and standing up to things that you think are that are wrong.